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02/05/2009 10:30 AM Senate ENERGY


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10:34:21 AM Overview: Biomass Energy in Alaska
11:46:17 AM Adjourn
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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
               SENATE SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON ENERGY                                                                             
                        February 5, 2009                                                                                        
                           10:33 a.m.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Lesil McGuire, Chair                                                                                                    
Senator Albert Kookesh                                                                                                          
Senator Bill Wielechowski                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator Lyman Hoffman                                                                                                           
Senator Bert Stedman                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Overview: Biomass energy in Alaska                                                                                              
Presenters:                                                                                                                     
-Peter Crimp, Alternative Energy Program Coordinator                                                                            
 Alaska Energy Authority                                                                                                        
-Gwen Holdmann, Director                                                                                                        
 Alaska Center for Energy and Power                                                                                             
-Donna Vukich, General Manager                                                                                                  
 Naknek Electric Association                                                                                                    
-Yvonne Kopy, Planner                                                                                                           
 Bristol Bay Borough                                                                                                            
-Greg O'Claray, Statewide Coordinator                                                                                           
 Alaska Chip, Ltd.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
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PETER CRIMP, Coordinator                                                                                                        
Alternative Energy and Energy Efficiency Program                                                                                
Alaska Energy Authority (AEA)                                                                                                   
Anchorage AK                                                                                                                    
POSITION STATEMENT: Provided an overview of Alaska's biomass                                                                  
energy.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
GWEN HOLDMANN, Director                                                                                                         
Alaska Center for Energy and Power (ACEP)                                                                                       
Fairbanks AK                                                                                                                    
POSITION STATEMENT:  Discussed near-term applied  biomass systems                                                             
that may work in Alaska.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. DONNA VUKICH, General Manager                                                                                               
Naknek Electric Association (NEA)                                                                                               
Naknek, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Discussed an effort  to use fish waste  as a                                                             
biomass source in western Alaska.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
YVONNE KOPY, Planner and Grant Writer                                                                                           
Bristol Bay Borough                                                                                                             
Naknek AK                                                                                                                       
POSITION STATEMENT:  Discussed an effort  to use fish waste  as a                                                             
biomass source in western Alaska.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
GREG O'CLARAY, Statewide Coordinator                                                                                            
Alaska Chip, Ltd.                                                                                                               
Juneau AK                                                                                                                       
POSITION STATEMENT:  Provided information on  firewood operations                                                             
in Ketchikan.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
STEVE SELEY, Owner                                                                                                              
Alaska Chip LLC.                                                                                                                
Ketchikan AK                                                                                                                    
POSITION STATEMENT:  Provided information on  firewood operations                                                             
in Ketchikan.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
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10:33:38 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  LESIL  MCGUIRE  called the  Senate  Special  Committee  on                                                             
Energy meeting  to order at 10:33.  Present at the call  to order                                                               
were Senators Kookesh, Wielechowski, and McGuire.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
10:34:21 AM                                                                                                                   
^Overview: Biomass Energy in Alaska                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
               OVERVIEW: BIOMASS ENERGY IN ALASKA                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCGUIRE announced a presentation by Peter Crimp.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
PETER  CRIMP, Alternative  Energy and  Energy Efficiency  Program                                                               
Coordinator, Alaska Energy Authority (AEA),  said AEA is a public                                                               
corporation  that  has been  in  operation  since 1976.  "We  own                                                               
stuff," including the  Anchorage/Fairbanks intertie, Bradley Lake                                                               
Hydro, and  a rural energy group.  AEA has built many  tank farms                                                               
and power systems throughout the  state. It works with the Denali                                                               
Commission.  AEA  has an  alternative  energy  section, which  he                                                               
manages,  and it  includes programs  for biomass,  hydroelectric,                                                               
wind, and others. AEA is  now performing a technical and economic                                                               
review of  a renewable energy fund.  His talk will focus  on wood                                                               
energy, but  there are a  number of biomass  resources throughout                                                               
the state,  including fish  oil and municipal  waste. There  is a                                                               
wood energy  development task group  and an  infrastructure among                                                               
agencies for developing wood energy.  The AEA has be working with                                                               
a project in Craig, Alaska.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
10:37:23 AM                                                                                                                   
MR.  CRIMP said  AEA has  helped  Anchorage with  a landfill  gas                                                               
feasibility  analysis.  Wood  has  been the  standby  in  Alaska.                                                               
Fairbanks was  originally powered  by wood. He  noted the  use of                                                               
wood for power at the old pulp mills in Ketchikan and Sitka.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. CRIMP showed  a map of renewable energy  resources in Alaska.                                                               
The green area  is where the forests are, and  "generally it's in                                                               
the Interior." The  fish processing facilities are  marked on the                                                               
map by  blue fishes. There  is a  fair amount of  waste available                                                               
from  them. There  are also  sawmills  and garbage  in the  major                                                               
cities. Alaskans  are using  roughly 100,000  cords per  year for                                                               
heating residences. That is a  very rough estimate. The state has                                                               
over 18,500 square  miles of productive forest that  can grow 3.5                                                               
million cords  of wood per  year. Wood cutting can  conflict with                                                               
other  uses,  but  benefits   include  wildfire  risk  reduction,                                                               
economic development, and habitat enhancement.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
10:40:34 AM                                                                                                                   
MR. CRIMP  showed a diagram of  how much wood, garbage,  and fish                                                               
oil  is available  in "diesel  gallon equivalents."  Sustainably-                                                               
available wood equals about 500  million gallons worth of diesel.                                                               
That  isn't  enough  wood  to  run the  state.  "Of  course  that                                                               
probably  wouldn't be  such a  good idea  anyway." But  it is  an                                                               
important component of energy use in Alaska.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
10:41:23 AM                                                                                                                   
MR.  CRIMP   said  he  will   discuss  technology   ranging  from                                                               
residential wood  heating to gasification and  pyrolysis. But air                                                               
pollution is  a big consideration.  It is a problem  in Fairbanks                                                               
because people  are not burning  wood efficiently.  Another issue                                                               
is fuel depletion and logging  aesthetics. Some people don't like                                                               
the look  of cut-over areas,  but he is  not one of  them. System                                                               
reliability and  complexity is a consideration  too. But economic                                                               
feasibility is  the overriding factor.  "Are there people  to buy                                                               
the heat and  power? What are the other  alternatives?" He showed                                                               
an image of a smoky, inefficient, outdoor wood boiler.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
10:43:03 AM                                                                                                                   
MR. CRIMP  said AEA has  been developing a  demonstration project                                                               
in Dot Lake  for burning wood efficiently with no  smoke and more                                                               
heat. It  heats a  washateria and seven  residences. He  showed a                                                               
cross section  of the boiler. It  has a 4,400-gallon tank  with a                                                               
by-pass fire  tube. The  wood heats  the water  and the  water is                                                               
used as a heating source.  The project stimulated other ones when                                                               
the price of  heating oil spiked last year. So  one was installed                                                               
in Tanana, which also heats a washateria and other buildings.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
10:45:39 AM                                                                                                                   
CHAIR  MCGUIRE  asked about  the  price,  the  time it  takes  to                                                               
develop, and the capacity.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  CRIMP replied  that they  are fairly  simple projects,  "low                                                               
hanging fruit for some communities."  It costs about $250,000 and                                                               
has an  8-year payback, depending  on the  cost of wood  and oil.                                                               
The unit has  about 10 times the energy of  a residential system.                                                               
He said that  the Dot Lake unit  uses slabs of wood  from a local                                                               
sawmill  and pays  about  $35  per cord  (and  the  price may  be                                                               
considerably higher  now). In Tanana, instead  of exporting money                                                               
from the community  to pay for oil that is  barged in, "residents                                                               
can fill up ... bunks with wood and get $200 per cord."                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
10:47:42 AM                                                                                                                   
MR. CRIMP showed photos of  a chip-fired facility near Dry Creek.                                                               
It is  a boiler  system by  Decton. It  uses sawmill  wastes that                                                               
would have to  be dealt with otherwise. There is  no local market                                                               
for it. It  heats a dry kiln for value-added  wood processing and                                                               
another building.  He showed  a new project  in Craig,  which was                                                               
funded   by  AEA,   the  federal   government,  and   the  Denali                                                               
Commission. It is a chip-fired  boiler that heats two schools and                                                               
the community pool. It is high-tech and clean burning.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
10:49:20 AM                                                                                                                   
MR.  CRIMP   said  wood-fired  power   is  another  step   up  in                                                               
complexity, and  none exist  in Alaska. It  can be  economic when                                                               
there is  plentiful low-cost fuel,  it is displacing  diesel oil,                                                               
and there  is a large market  for both power and  heat. It worked                                                               
for the  Southeast pulp mills,  and he  said it is  reasonable to                                                               
ask  if small  rural  communities  can use  it.  He presented  an                                                               
Alaska map showing  preliminary economic feasibility assessments.                                                               
It has been incorporated in models  for the Alaska energy plan. A                                                               
demonstration  project  is  needed, along  with  land  management                                                               
planning regarding the harvest levels.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
10:51:24 AM                                                                                                                   
MR.  CRIMP showed  a photo  of a  small module  gasifier made  by                                                               
Community  Power  Corporation  who  wants to  demonstrate  it  in                                                               
Alaska. He  noted an  organic Rankin cycle  to convert  wood into                                                               
heat to supply a unit, such as what runs Chena Hot Springs.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  CRIMP said  that  Alaska Village  Initiatives have  proposed                                                               
gearing up the harvest in  rural communities. The big question is                                                               
how much  it would cost  to supply a  wood system. "Going  out in                                                               
snow-goes with  a chainsaw is not  a way to necessarily  supply a                                                               
utility."  Mechanized  logging  would  be  desired  with  a  good                                                               
management  plan to  reduce conflict  with subsistence  and other                                                               
uses. A track  hoe with a cutter head would  cost about $600,000.                                                               
Fuel  supply  is generally  available  for  small villages.  Wood                                                               
supply would be a concern in  a place like Dillingham, but Tanana                                                               
would have a lot of wood and the question would be the cost.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
10:53:34 AM                                                                                                                   
MR. CRIMP said  he doesn't know much about  converting biomass to                                                               
liquids. There  are technologies  that will  convert carbon-based                                                               
substances, like  coal and  wood, into  a liquid  fuel. "Fischer-                                                               
Tropsch  is  one of  those."  Southern  Southeast has  looked  at                                                               
converting to  ethanol. Wood  is burned  in a  starved-air system                                                               
that breaks the  carbon into smaller chains  and then synthesizes                                                               
it into  the hydrocarbons  desired and burns  the rest  for power                                                               
and heat.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.   CRIMP  said   AEA  has   been  aggressively   working  with                                                               
communities   to  develop   wood-fired  heating   projects.  Wood                                                               
requires  a commitment,  it doesn't  just dribble  out of  an oil                                                               
tank. Chip-fired  heating is a  stepping stone between  wood heat                                                               
and  power  generation.  "And of  course  bio-refineries,  liquid                                                               
fuels, are the future."                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
10:55:48 AM                                                                                                                   
GWEN  HOLDMANN,  Director, Alaska  Center  for  Energy and  Power                                                               
(ACEP), Fairbanks,  said her program  is interested  in near-term                                                               
applied solutions  that are not currently  commercially viable in                                                               
Alaska, "and that  would be combined heat and  power with biomass                                                               
resources." ACEP  is less interested  in looking at  liquid fuels                                                               
from biomass because it's further off  in the future. Also, it is                                                               
extensively researched  in the Lower  48, so Alaska  doesn't need                                                               
to focus on  it. Alaska can wait  to see what others  do and take                                                               
advantage  of it.  Using cellulose,  like  feedstock, for  liquid                                                               
fuel  would be  very  exciting, but  ACEP is  waiting  to see  it                                                               
develop a  little more.  It's not a  technical challenge,  but an                                                               
economic  one.  The  components need  to  work  consistently  and                                                               
economically.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
10:57:41 AM                                                                                                                   
MS. HOLDMANN said  the university has looked at  burning fish oil                                                               
in diesel  generators quite a  bit. It is  doable, but oil  has a                                                               
shelf life. Research on algae  is being done elsewhere. She noted                                                               
that a  large tree grows from  a small seed, and  asked where all                                                               
the  matter or  mass comes  from. That  mass is  really from  the                                                               
atmosphere;  it  is  basically   CO2  and  water.  Combusting  or                                                               
gasifying a biomass resource releases  greenhouse gases, but they                                                               
are the  same gases  that are  taken in during  the life  of that                                                               
tree. So  as long as  biomass is  being planted on  a sustainable                                                               
basis, it is renewable.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
11:00:29 AM                                                                                                                   
MS. HOLDMANN  said Fairbanks was  heavily deforested in  the last                                                               
century  for power  and heating.  The advantages  of biomass  are                                                               
that  it  can  supply  on-demand   base-load  power,  similar  to                                                               
geothermal. It is available year  round, unlike wind or solar. It                                                               
is carbon  neutral and can be  processed into a syngas  or liquid                                                               
fuel.   It   can   potentially   be   used   for   transportation                                                               
applications, "but  that is  down the  road a  ways." It  is also                                                               
good because  heating is  more important  than electric  power in                                                               
Alaska's rural communities.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
11:01:38 AM                                                                                                                   
MS.  HOLDMANN   said  the  disadvantages  are   that  biomass  is                                                               
expensive to handle, it has a  very low energy density so it must                                                               
be used near its source, it  is labor intensive, storage can be a                                                               
challenge, and small scale technology is still emerging.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
11:02:20 AM                                                                                                                   
MS. HOLDMANN said the disadvantages  mean that it can provide for                                                               
local jobs.  Biomass in the  Lower 48 is  in widespread use  as a                                                               
power  source. It  is typically  used  in a  combustion cycle  to                                                               
drive a steam  turbine. It is supplying about one  percent of the                                                               
total U.S.  generating capacity, which is  pretty significant for                                                               
a renewable  resource. Worldwide,  biomass is the  primary energy                                                               
source  for half  of the  world's  population, so  Alaska has  an                                                               
opportunity  to develop  a niche  market  in commercializing  the                                                               
technology.   Europe  is   now  the   leader  in   clean  biomass                                                               
technologies.  She showed  a photo  of a  2-megawatt gasification                                                               
plant in Austria.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
11:03:51 AM                                                                                                                   
MS. HOLDMANN  said one  research challenge  is to  reduce capital                                                               
costs. "A lot  of these technologies are  technically feasible if                                                               
you're  willing to  throw enough  money at  it." Component  costs                                                               
need  to be  reduced.  The efficiency  of  the energy  conversion                                                               
needs to improve.  The smaller the system, the  less efficient it                                                               
is. Emissions need  to be reduced, and  integration with existing                                                               
generation  systems  needs  to be  better.  Alaska  has  isolated                                                               
grids, even the state is an  isolated grid, and that differs with                                                               
the  Lower 48  states, so  no one  else will  be addressing  that                                                               
challenge. But it is more common throughout the world.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
11:04:44 AM                                                                                                                   
MS. HOLDMANN said gasification and  direct combustion are the two                                                               
avenues  being  considered  for power  generation  from  biomass.                                                               
Direct  combustion   is  the   older  version.   Gasification  is                                                               
incomplete combustion to  form a syngas that can then  be used to                                                               
drive a  gas turbine.  One of Alaska's  challenges is  to achieve                                                               
optimal performance  for varying  fuel conditions. There  will be                                                               
different moisture levels and different trees, for example.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
11:05:48 AM                                                                                                                   
MS. HOLDMANN  said it  would require  approximately 500  acres to                                                               
grow  a biomass  crop, like  willow or  alder, to  fuel a  500 kW                                                               
generator sustainably,  assuming the use  of about five  tons per                                                               
acre per year.  She is not sure that can  be sustained in Alaska.                                                               
Biomass crops  are fast  growing and  are grown  specifically for                                                               
energy generation. Most  of the money stays in  the community. It                                                               
is important to  be thinking about stabilizing  costs and keeping                                                               
jobs and  not so much about  reducing the cost of  power or heat.                                                               
Biomass is  a crop and  farmers can  start growing it  before the                                                               
power plant is built.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
11:07:05 AM                                                                                                                   
MS.  HOLDMANN said  Sweden  has been  growing  willows since  the                                                               
1970s. There  are similarities between Alaska  and Sweden. Sweden                                                               
has  done  a lot  of  resource  assessment  and has  refined  the                                                               
technology. It is  expensive and usually requires  a subsidy. The                                                               
University of New  York has been partnering in Alaska  to look at                                                               
growing willows  and other plants as  a biomass crop. There  is a                                                               
500-acre test plot in New York  that is co-fired in a nearby coal                                                               
power plant. Co-firing  biomass in coal plants is an  easy way to                                                               
use biomass in the near term.  Eielson has a coal power plant and                                                               
there  was   a  recycling  program  where   paper  products  were                                                               
densified  and burned  in the  coal plant.  The program  ended in                                                               
2006 after there was a fire in the facility.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
11:08:14 AM                                                                                                                   
MS. HOLDMANN  said willows  can also  be used  to clean  up waste                                                               
water and landfills. Alyeska is one  of the leaders in looking at                                                               
growing  short rotation  biomass  crops because  of  its need  to                                                               
revegetate. The  University of Alaska is  looking at fast-growing                                                               
grasses. Growth rates can be augmented with fertilizer.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
11:10:42 AM                                                                                                                   
MS. HOLDMANN said  Chena Hot Springs and  United Technologies are                                                               
looking  at substituting  the heat  from the  geothermal resource                                                               
with biomass to drive that  type of organic Rankin cycle turbine.                                                               
This  is  a major  Fortune  500  company  that is  interested  in                                                               
solving   Alaska's  rural   power   generation  issues.   [United                                                               
Technologies] sees  a niche industry  that can go  worldwide, and                                                               
it  wants  to invest  in  demonstration  products in  the  state.                                                               
Alaska  should capitalize  on that.  The  Chena geothermal  power                                                               
plant has  low temperatures and  is very inefficient. It  runs at                                                               
about 8  percent efficiency,  but it  doesn't matter  when you're                                                               
not paying  for the fuel. Biomass  fuel costs money and  work, so                                                               
the efficiency needs  to be increased. Using both  power and heat                                                               
increases the efficiency up to 80 percent.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
11:13:06 AM                                                                                                                   
MS. HOLDMANN said  the project doesn't use a steam  cycle, but an                                                               
organic Rankin  cycle, which  uses a  refrigerant that  is boiled                                                               
into  a vapor,  and it  doesn't  freeze or  need high  pressures.                                                               
There is a  demonstration project at K & K  Recycling [near North                                                               
Pole, AK] that AEA  and ACEP have been involved in.  It will be a                                                               
400 kW system - analogous to  the Chena project. It is being done                                                               
by  the same  owners. The  fuels  will be  paper, cardboard,  and                                                               
brush. It  is the  same stuff  that used to  go into  the Eielson                                                               
recycling program that  ended in 2006. It is  designed for rural,                                                               
stand-alone applications. It heats up  thermal oil instead of hot                                                               
water, and  the thermal oil  supplies the  heat to run  the power                                                               
generation cycle. The cost of power  is estimated to be about 6.4                                                               
cents in this urban area.  It will be co-located with greenhouses                                                               
and  space heating.  It represents  high-value niche  markets for                                                               
emerging  technologies.  Alaskan  villages could  provide  global                                                               
leadership in  rural biomass power systems,  especially for 100kW                                                               
to 5mW modular systems. She  suggests urging manufacturers to use                                                               
Alaska for testing.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
11:14:30 AM                                                                                                                   
MS. HOLDMANN said  Iceland became the world  leader in geothermal                                                               
development.  When Icelanders  decided to  switch to  geothermal,                                                               
they  didn't know  anything about  it. They  didn't even  have an                                                               
engineering  program at  their university.  They were  way behind                                                               
where Alaska  is now, but  they made  a commitment to  become the                                                               
world leader in  geothermal. Icelanders went to  Boise, Idaho, to                                                               
learn about the oldest district heating system in the country.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
11:15:25 AM                                                                                                                   
MS.  HOLDMANN said  ACEP is  an applied  research program  at the                                                               
University   of  Alaska,   and   it   verifies  performance   and                                                               
reliability  of  equipment.  It   does  not  build  products,  it                                                               
assesses  them   economically  and   technically.  It   looks  at                                                               
integration with  existing power systems for  all different types                                                               
of renewables. It tries to  purchase products that claim to work.                                                               
Some  people actually  market things  that don't  exist, so  ACEP                                                               
saves other  people the time  with testing technology  that isn't                                                               
really ready for  prime time. ACEP works  with manufacturers that                                                               
do have  a good product to  make them better and  more applicable                                                               
for  Alaska. Efficiency  is ACEP's  top priority.  Secondly, they                                                               
look at off-the-shelf technology, and then new technologies.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  HOLDMANN  gave  three  examples  of  how  ACEP  pursues  its                                                               
mission.  It  does flow  battery  testing  at the  university  to                                                               
improve the  system. It has  tested fuel cell products,  but they                                                               
are not  in the near term  in Alaska so that  has been abandoned.                                                               
ACEP is  doing a lot  of product  testing on waste  heat recovery                                                               
systems for existing diesel generators.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. DONNA  VUKICH, General  Manager, Naknek  Electric Association                                                               
(NEA), Naknek,  said NEA is  working with the Bristol  Bay Bureau                                                               
on a project developed by Yvonne Kopy.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
YVONNE  KOPY,  Planner and  Grant  Writer,  Bristol Bay  Borough,                                                               
Naknek, thanked [Mr.  Crimp and Ms. Holdmann] for  all their work                                                               
in  renewable  energy. There  are  few  trees  but many  fish  in                                                               
Southwest  Alaska. She  proposed  a simple  feasibility study  of                                                               
using fish oil  as an energy source. The ultimate  goal is a fish                                                               
waste processing  facility to  create fish  oil and  other value-                                                               
added products that is operated with 100 percent clean energy.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
11:18:56 AM                                                                                                                   
MS. KOPY said  that if the facility proves to  be successful, the                                                               
technology could be transferred  to other industries. Bristol Bay                                                               
is home to a huge  fishery, including the largest sockeye fishery                                                               
in the world. It is a likely location to place a model facility.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
11:19:42 AM                                                                                                                   
MS. KOPY  said fish processing  wastes 50 percent of  every fish.                                                               
That  number is  growing because  Lower 48  markets are  targeted                                                               
instead of  Asian markets. Canning  wastes only 20 to  30 percent                                                               
of  the  fish,  but  new  markets are  for  filets.  Bristol  Bay                                                               
harvested 29  million sockeye  salmon or  170 million  pounds. An                                                               
average of 30  percent waste puts 57 million  pounds of ground-up                                                               
waste into  the river  system. Her proposal  would use  the waste                                                               
for  energy. It  is  not  new technology.  Unisea  Inc. in  Dutch                                                               
Harbor, Alaska,  is currently rendering  its waste into  fish oil                                                               
and  mixing it  with diesel  to  generate energy  for its  plant.                                                               
There  is a  cooperative  arrangement in  Kodiak  to render  fish                                                               
waste  to  create   oil  and  pellets.  Juneau   has  a  floating                                                               
processing facility that is rendering fish waste into oil.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
11:21:43 AM                                                                                                                   
MS. KOPY  said the technology is  not new, but she  wants to look                                                               
at  untested technologies.  The  work  she has  done  so far  has                                                               
suggested  that there  isn't enough  fish  oil to  run an  entire                                                               
facility  100 percent,  so other  sources, like  wood, solar,  or                                                               
wind, are needed, depending on  the area. Cogeneration would make                                                               
it  possible to  operate a  fish  waste facility  100 percent  on                                                               
renewable energy. Current projects are  a great start, but she is                                                               
asking  for financing  and funding  to  go into  more depth.  The                                                               
project  partners include  the University  of Alaska,  the Center                                                               
for  Economic  Development,  and  the  Institute  of  Social  and                                                               
Economic  Research  (ISER),  which will  research  economics  and                                                               
viability.  Through  study  and  innovation  it  is  possible  to                                                               
develop  this facility,  and it  could  be duplicated  throughout                                                               
Southwest Alaska, a region that has suffered economically.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
11:23:51 AM                                                                                                                   
CHAIR MCGUIRE asked if the project is in its initial stage.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. KOPY said, yes, it is just at the feasibility assessment.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCGUIRE said she looks forward to its completion.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
DONNA  VUKICH said  NEA is  very  committed to  working with  the                                                               
borough, industry,  and residents  who want  to use  the resource                                                               
for economic development and energy.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
11:24:59 AM                                                                                                                   
The committee took an at-ease.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
11:28:25 AM                                                                                                                   
GREG O'CLARAY, Statewide Coordinator,  Alaska Chip, Ltd., Juneau,                                                               
said Alaska  Chip is owned  by the  Seley family in  Ketchikan, a                                                               
longtime, timber-harvesting family. This  is an exciting project,                                                               
and Mr.  O'Claray came out  of retirement  for it. He  spent four                                                               
years working  for Governor Murkowski  to solve  the unemployment                                                               
and  economic problems  in rural  Alaska by  providing jobs.  "We                                                               
were not able  to solve it because all the  pieces aren't there."                                                               
His current project is selling firewood  out of the back of a van                                                               
in Juneau.  He showed "an  example of  the type of  products that                                                               
are being generated in the plant  operated by the Seley family in                                                               
Ketchikan." He had a piece of  wood cut from standing dead yellow                                                               
cedar. It is  aromatic and burns hot. It sells  good. It's not as                                                               
heavy. Ms. Holdmann used oak as  an example for the life cycle of                                                               
a tree, which  doesn't grow in Alaska. A cord  of hemlock has the                                                               
same BTUs as  157 gallons of fuel  oil. He showed a  picture of a                                                               
log splitting  machine that Mr.  Seley paid over $500,000  for. A                                                               
person  logging  for firewood  in  our  forests would  go  broke,                                                               
"because  the  firewood  really  is taken  from  the  30  percent                                                               
unmarketable commercial timber." But no  one can stay in business                                                               
making firewood  out of high-value  timber. The 30  percent would                                                               
normally be considered waste material  and left in the woods. Mr.                                                               
Seley  bought  the machine  at  the  urging  of the  U.S.  Forest                                                               
Service because  of concern  over waste wood  in clear  cuts. The                                                               
machine will  take a  log about  60-feet long,  and it  will cut,                                                               
split, and  pile it in eight  seconds. Mr. Seley cut  21 cords of                                                               
wood in less than two hours  by himself, and Mr. O'Claray sold 14                                                               
cords in three days.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
11:34:18 AM                                                                                                                   
MR. O'CLARAY said that Mr. Seley's  idea is to move wood or chips                                                               
to  energy-starved communities  in  western Alaska.  There is  no                                                               
year-round  employment   in  the  bush  communities,   so  social                                                               
problems mount.  Young people leave  to find jobs, and  the whole                                                               
village structure was falling apart.  He was involved in training                                                               
people in construction  work, but it is nomadic  work. Many young                                                               
people  didn't want  to  leave their  villages  because of  their                                                               
family structure. With a subsistence  lifestyle, when the caribou                                                               
come, people  need to  hunt. A  five-day a  week job  doesn't fit                                                               
their  lifestyle. It  is easy  to  job-share if  the industry  is                                                               
there. Mr.  Seley's project "will  entail manpower to be  used at                                                               
the other  end." If he ships  400 cords of wood  into Bristol Bay                                                               
on a barge, it will require people to unload and distribute it.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
11:36:10 AM                                                                                                                   
MR. O'CLARAY said the idea is  to send wood in massive amounts to                                                               
western Alaska  and have it stored  in the summer. It  would then                                                               
be distributed to  families in the winter.  "And, basically, that                                                               
is  what we're  all about."  The  chip technology  is a  reality.                                                               
People have been heating with  wood products in boilers in Europe                                                               
for five years. "They laugh at  us when they find out we're still                                                               
burning diesel  in our  boilers and  in our  homes." He  showed a                                                               
picture of  a typical boiler.  He noted that  he got 10  cords of                                                               
wood in a 20-foot van by  hand-loading it. He showed a picture of                                                               
a pile of  wood at the end  of a conveyer belt.  The boiler works                                                               
on the same  type of technology as a little  conveyer belt inside                                                               
an auger system.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
11:38:44 AM                                                                                                                   
MR.  O'CLARAY  said  chips  or cords  are  superior  to  pellets.                                                               
Pellets come from  the shavings from making  lumber, sawdust, and                                                               
a binder. That  is why they are more expensive.  When pellets get                                                               
wet they  turn to  mush, and  this is wet  country. If  chips get                                                               
wet, they can be dried. Most  furnaces wet down the chips so they                                                               
will burn  at the same  rate all the  time. Hemlock is  a "stable                                                               
BTU releaser"  because it  has moisture  in it.  "you can  hold a                                                               
fire all night  by throwing a couple chunks or  sticks of hemlock                                                               
in there with the cedar."                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCGUIRE asked where the project stands now.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. O'CLARAY answered  that they are "ready to go,"  and they are                                                               
splitting wood now for shipping  to Southeast Alaska communities,                                                               
but  the legislature  needs  to  provide a  subsidy  to move  the                                                               
product north.  Mr. Seley wants to  sell the product at  the same                                                               
price he  sells it  for in  Ketchikan where  there is  no freight                                                               
costs -- $175 per cord for hemlock.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR KOOKESH said it is all done with waste wood.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. O'CLARAY said  yes. Cedar is valuable for  totem carvings and                                                               
other uses.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR KOOKESH  asked why he showed  the KOB system, and  if Mr.                                                               
Seley is a distributor.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
11:41:24 AM                                                                                                                   
STEVE SELEY, Owner,  Alaska Chip LLC., Ketchikan, said  he has an                                                               
affiliation  with  an  engineering company  that  specializes  in                                                               
these  boilers. "We've  chosen to  provide  the data  on the  KOB                                                               
because it  was readily available,  we knew it was  accurate, and                                                               
it was a  proven system." He does not distribute  the product but                                                               
wanted to show what was  available. He added that Western Tugboat                                                               
will commit  a 9,000-ton barge  that could transport  2,200 cords                                                               
of split  wood or 3,000 dry  tons of chips to  western Alaska. He                                                               
said he  can deliver wood to  Nome at a price  that is equivalent                                                               
to $2.37 oil, and chips would be worth $1.78 per gallon of oil.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
11:43:03 AM                                                                                                                   
MR. SELEY  said the concept  is simple.  His company has  been in                                                               
business for 35  years. He owns and operates remote  camps in the                                                               
Tongass National Forest, and he  is very familiar with costs. The                                                               
camps are like  communities in rural Alaska. About  70 percent of                                                               
the demand on the diesel generators  is for heat. The new Tongass                                                               
Land Management Plan identifies 257  million board feet of annual                                                               
harvest.  The  30 percent  component  that  is waste  wood  could                                                               
replace 31  million gallons of  heating fuel. He proposes  to use                                                               
the  expertise of  the Southeast  Alaska timber  industry. It  is                                                               
located along  the water, and it  is a perfect fit  for a coastal                                                               
community in  western Alaska.  There are  wood-burning appliances                                                               
and  systems, so  no research  is necessary.  It is  an immediate                                                               
solution to  high-cost energy; "we  challenge any  alternate fuel                                                               
source to match what we can do with wood today."                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
11:46:17 AM                                                                                                                   
There  being  no  further  business to  come  before  the  Energy                                                               
Committee, it was adjourned at 11:47 a.m.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                

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